NPorCP, my friend wants an unnecessary truck edition

"Chuckles" (chucklesw37) 04/18/2019 at 14:49 • Filed to: Trucks, Bigly

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My friend has an appointment to go look at this truck on Saturday morning. He wants me to go with him, so I can say stuff like “yep, that sure is a truck.”

Edited to add: this truck will be his daily, replacing a Jeep Liberty that perpetually has something wrong. He wants a truck because he likes trucks, and he thinks that he needs one for wintry weather. He works at a job where he cannot call off due to weather. He has one child and will tow something probably once a year to justify getting a truck. He wants to spend around $25,000. I've already tried to convince him that much cheaper vehicles will meet his needs, but he is beyond that. He doesn't want diesel either.

What does Oppo think? Link (ignore thumbnail, it’s the truck I posted above):

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This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 14:56

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If it's an unnecessary truck, they pretty much HAVE to pony up for the Cummins model tho.

Chuckles > This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: 04/18/2019 at 15:00

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I am going to edit the post and add some more info. He doesn't want a diesel.

This is what we'll show whenever you publish anything on Kinja: > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:03

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They’ll never make it as real truck people with that kind of mindset.

UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:07

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Why not a V6?

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:08

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I have a couple of pros and cons on the RAM, this one in particular.

Pros: Hemi, dial transmission, 4x4, real bed, Hemi, front bench seat

Cons: Dial transmission, no front tow hooks, very cramped rear seat

Seems like a good deal overall.

Chuckles > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 04/18/2019 at 15:09

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The di al transmission is a pro and a con?

Chuckles > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 04/18/2019 at 15:10

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No idea, maybe it isn't manly enough for him? I don't know why anybody wants a truck for their suburban commuting vehicle. He just likes it.

Wacko > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:10

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Tell him to bring his kid seat with him, because if it’s not a crew cab the space is cramped in back

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:11

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I like it, others may not.

Thir-STi > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:13

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Whats the animosity towards people who want trucks with this website? I don’ t get it. 

Chuckles > Wacko 04/18/2019 at 15:13

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Good thinking. The kid is ten. Do ten year olds use car seats? Booster seats? I don’t know how kids work.

Chuckles > Thir-STi 04/18/2019 at 15:17

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I am not anti-truck. I am generally against getting way more vehicle than someone needs. I daily a Fiat 500 because that’s all I need to get around.

Trucks can be useful in a lot of situations. But I think it’s a little silly for my friend to spend that much money for a truck (and the added expenses compared to a car) when he doesn't need one.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:18

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Trucks do not require justification.

412GTI > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:20

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Not a terrible price. We have some 17 QuadCabs on our lot for around that price and mileage. I’d probably look for one with the Uconnect 5 in screen as it comes with Sirius and better bluetooth.

If he likes it, then he probably already sold himself. 

Chuckles > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 04/18/2019 at 15:20

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That's a fair point. We are all free to get what we want. 

Chuckles > 412GTI 04/18/2019 at 15:22

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Oh I am far beyond the point of trying to talk him out of it. But earlier in his vehicle search he was describing what his vehicular needs were and I did attempt to provide some lower priced options.

RutRut > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 04/18/2019 at 15:22

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Anecdotal, but I have always found way more used V8s than V6s in shopping for full size trucks. Take-rate on the V6 is generally not great when combined with crew cab and 4x4.

Pickup_man > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:23

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Truck good, buy truck.

Couple things to note on these, the quad cab (basically an extended cab) is going to be tight in the back, especially for adults. Being a quad cab does give him the longer box however, but since it sounds like this is more just because and less because he actually does a lot of truck things maybe a 5.5' would suit him better? That way he can get a crew cab, and all the extra space to go with it.

Second thing on this is that the sport trim Rams don’t have tow hooks (although you can cut holes in the bumper and add them). If winter driving is a strong reason to buy one I have no idea why you’d buy a truck without front tow hooks, but that’s just me.

Beyond that I really like this generation of Ram. Buy the truck. 

MattHurting > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:31

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My 10 year old doesn’t need any type of booster or anything. He’s your average sized 10 year old, so he’s probably ok without.

vondon302 > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:32

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Thats not a bad price. V8 is thirsty tho and the big horn package makes the interior alot nicer. Does he really need a 4 door. Regular cab 4x4s go for cheap v8 or v6. Hard to find in big horn but doable.

2017 7100 miles bought for 25900 still got almost a year on warranty and its 700 pounds lighter than crew cab. Sticker was 41000 but I'm sure no one paid that. I’m kinda shocked how fun it is to drive.

Chuckles > vondon302 04/18/2019 at 15:35

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That looks nice. I think he's set on something with a back seat though. I found a Big Horn for him but it was white and he wasn't a fan.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:41

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Something to consider is how long he plans to keep it. Everyone and their mother wants a gently used 1/2 ton with a crew cab, and  prices will reflect that. If he can live with an extended cab, he’ll get a much newer truck for 25k. But, while a 10 year old will be perfectly happy in the back of an extended cab, a 14 year old probably won’t be.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:44

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He doesn’t want a truck. He definitely doesn’t want that truck.

He wants a Grand Cherokee or a body on frame SUV.

It’s more comfortable. It’s more luxurious. It’s better in snow. It’s got heated seats. And unless he’s pulling something really huge, a Grand Cherokee can easily tow it with the 5.7 Hemi. (7200lbs, can be increased to 9000lbs.)

Chuckles > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 04/18/2019 at 15:44

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I think he wants to keep the truck for a long time. At least as as it takes to pay off the loan.

Chuckles > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 04/18/2019 at 15:47

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Thanks to the horrors of Jeep Liberty ownership, he isn’t interested in any Jeeps besides Wrangler Unlimiteds. But I do think he'd be better off in an SUV instead of a pickup. But the heart wants what it wants.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:52

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The Liberty isn’t a Jeep. It’s a piece of shit with a counterfeit badge and an engine that any sane government would have banned for gross fraud and misrepresentation.

Wacko > MattHurting 04/18/2019 at 15:56

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10 nope

Chuckles > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 04/18/2019 at 15:57

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I know this, but he's sworn off non Wrangler Jeeps.

facw > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 15:57

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I think current recommendations is to keep them in car seats (first rear facing, then front facing) as long as they fit, then boosters until age 8.

vondon302 > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 16:15

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One more thing. The stock Goodyears on the 20 inch tires are horrible in the wet and snow. Mine will break loose just merging lanes in the wet.

E92M3 > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 17:57

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He hasn’t learned his les son with FCA p roducts? Sometimes it takes 2 mistakes for people to learn . I don’t know..for $25k I’d want more luxury, like painted door handles. 

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 04/18/2019 at 17:57

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That is the “extended cab”. There is the double cab and the full crew. 

19JRC99 > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 18:23

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I say go for it. I don’t need a truck, but I wanted one and got one, and I love it.

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 04/18/2019 at 18:31

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Exactly. I’ve been in the back of Dodge’s “extended” cab. It may have four doors , but that 2/3 size back seat isn’t a good place for more than short trip.

Chuckles > 19JRC99 04/18/2019 at 19:27

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That’s fair. I’m not trying to talk him out of it. Early on in the process I tried to provide some lower cost alternatives that were a little more practical. This friend of mine is also currently trying to save up to buy a house, so when he told me he wanted a truck and was willing to have a $500/month payment, I did what I could. 

Chuckles > E92M3 04/18/2019 at 19:30

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I'm thoroughly enjoying my FCA vehicle, but mine was also only $7,500. That's the most expensive vehicle I've ever owned in my 17 years of driving, so I just get skeptical when someone that lives in the same town as me says "I need this big truck to handle the snow." It's PA. I drive my Fiat all winter. If you want a truck that's fine, but you don't need one.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com 04/18/2019 at 19:37

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Eh, we make do with ours for 4 hours of round trip driving. It’s not ideal, but it’s not uncomfortable. 

19JRC99 > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 20:00

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I see, that does change it a bit.

Chuckles > 19JRC99 04/18/2019 at 20:02

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He could certainly buy a cheaper truck, but he said he wants something low mileage that will be reliable for a while.

19JRC99 > Chuckles 04/18/2019 at 20:05

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That’s fair. That’s why I jumped on the Ranger even though I probably overpaid. 

Chuckles > 19JRC99 04/18/2019 at 20:10

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I don't know my friend's exact financial situation, I just hope that he did his homework and can comfortably afford to daily drive such a thirsty vehicle. 

fhrblig > 19JRC99 04/18/2019 at 20:33

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This. I don't need one either but I really wanted one, so I got one. I think I'm now in danger of only owning trucks for the rest of my life.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > Chuckles 04/22/2019 at 21:02

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Sounds like he actually wants a 4runner.

I’m curious to the reasoning of yes truck, no diesel. Trucks should be diesel!

Chuckles > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 04/22/2019 at 21:26

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He bought this truck and bought it home today. It's nice, I was just trying to get him to reconsider financing a $25,000 with a minimal down payment and a trade in with negative equity. I was hoping he'd get something cheaper for a while.